1.13.2 Deputy JA Hilton - States Assembly

STATES OF JERSEY



OFFICIAL REPORT



WEDNESDAY, 29th APRIL 2015


PUBLIC BUSINESS - resumption 5

1. Draft Strategic Plan 2015 - 2018 (P.27/2015): seventh amendment
(P.27/2016 Amd.(7)) - paragraph (1) - resumption 5

1.1 Deputy S.M. Wickenden of St. Helier: 5
1.1.1 Senator L.J. Farnham: 6
1.1.2 Deputy K.C. Lewis of St. Saviour: 6
1.1.3 Deputy G.P. Southern of St. Helier: 7
1.1.4 Deputy A.E. Pryke of Trinity: 7
1.1.5 Deputy M.R. Higgins of St. Helier: 8
1.1.6 Senator I.J. Gorst: 9
1.1.7 Connétable A.S. Crowcroft of St. Helier: 10

1.2 Draft Strategic Plan 2015 - 2018 (P.27/2015): twelfth amendment
(P.27/2015 Amd.(12)) - paragraph (2) 11

1.2.1 Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré of St. Lawrence (Chairman, Corporate
Services Scrutiny Panel): 11
1.2.2 Deputy M. Tadier of St. Brelade: 12
1.2.3 The Connétable of St. Peter: 12
1.2.4 Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré: 13

1.3 Draft Strategic Plan 2015 - 2018 (P.27/2015): ninth amendment
(P.27/2015 Amd.(9)) - paragraph (4) 13

1.3.1 The Connétable of St. Helier (Chairman, Environment, Housing and
Technical Services Scrutiny Panel): 13
1.3.2 Deputy M. Tadier: 14
1.3.3 The Connétable of St. Helier: 14

1.4 Draft Strategic Plan 2015 - 2018 (P.27/2015): seventh amendment
(P.27/2015 Amd.(7)) - paragraph (2)(a) 14

1.4.1 The Connétable of St. Helier: 15
1.4.2 Deputy M.R. Higgins: 15
1.4.3 The Connétable of St. Helier: 15

1.5 Draft Strategic Plan 2015 - 2018 (P.27/2015): seventh amendment
(P.27/2015 Amd.(7)) - paragraph (2)(b) 15

1.5.1 The Connétable of St. Helier: 16

1.6 Draft Strategic Plan 2015 - 2018 (P.27/2015): seventh amendment
(P.27/2015 Amd.(7)) - paragraph (2)(b) - amendment (P.27/2015
Amd.(7)Amd.) 16

1.6.1 Senator I.J. Gorst (The Chief Minister) 17
1.6.2 Deputy S.Y. Mézec of St. Helier: 17
1.6.3 Deputy G.P. Southern: 17
1.6.4 Deputy J.A. Martin of St. Helier: 18
1.6.5 Deputy J.A. Hilton of St. Helier: 18
1.6.6 Deputy M.R. Higgins: 19
1.6.7 Connétable C.H. Taylor of St. John: 19
1.6.8 Deputy L.M.C. Doublet of St. Saviour: 19
1.6.9 Deputy K.C. Lewis: 20
1.6.10 Deputy M. Tadier: 20
1.6.11 The Connétable of St. Helier: 21
1.6.12 Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré: 22
1.6.13 The Connétable of St. Peter: 23
1.6.14 Deputy R.G. Bryans of St. Helier: 24
1.6.15 Connétable M.P.S. Le Troquer of St. Martin: 25
1.6.16 Deputy S.G. Luce of St. Martin: 25
1.6.17 Deputy P.D. McLinton of St. Saviour: 27
1.6.18 Senator P.F.C. Ozouf: 28
1.6.19 Senator I.J. Gorst: 29

1.7 Draft Strategic Plan 2015 - 2018 (P.27/2015): seventh amendment
(P.27/2015 Amd.(7)) - paragraph (2)(b) - as amended 30

1.7.1 Deputy J.A. Hilton: 31
1.7.2 Deputy M.R. Higgins: 31
1.7.3 Deputy M. Tadier: 32
1.7.4 Senator I.J. Gorst: 33
1.7.5 The Deputy of St. Martin: 33
1.7.6 Deputy E.J. Noel of St. Lawrence: 34
1.7.7 Deputy G.P. Southern: 34
1.7.8 The Connétable of St. Helier: 34

1.8 Draft Strategic Plan 2015 - 2018 (P.27/2015): twelfth amendment
(P.27/2015 Amd.(12)) - paragraph (3) 36

1.8.1 Deputy J.A.N. Le Fondré (Chairman, Corporate Services Scrutiny
Panel): 36

1.9 Draft Strategic Plan 2015 - 2018 (P.27/2015): seventh amendment
(P.27/2015 Amd.(7)) - paragraph (3) 36

1.9.1 The Connétable of St. Helier: 37
1.9.2 Deputy J.M. Maçon of St. Saviour: 37
1.9.3 The Connétable of St. Mary: 37
1.9.4 The Connétable of St. Helier: 38

1.10 Draft Strategic Plan 2015 - 2018 (P.27/2015): ninth amendment
(P.27/2015 Amd.(9)) - paragraph (5) 38

1.10.1 The Connétable of St. Helier (Chairman, Environment, Housing and
Technical Services Scrutiny Panel): 39

1.11 Draft Strategic Plan 2015 - 2018 (P.27/2015): thirteenth
amendment (P.27/2015 Amd.(13)) 39

1.11.1 Deputy S.M. Brée of St. Clement: 40
1.11.2 Senator P.F.C. Ozouf: 40
1.11.3 Deputy S.M. Brée: 41

1.12 Draft Strategic Plan 2015 - 2018 (P.27/2015): tenth amendment
(P.27/2015 Amd.(10)) - paragraph (1) 42

1.12.1 Deputy R. Labey of St. Helier: 42

1.13 Draft Strategic Plan 2015 - 2018 (P.27/2015): seventh amendment
(P.27/2015 Amd.(7)) - paragraphs (4), (5), (6)(a) and (6)(b) 43

1.13.1 The Connétable of St. Helier: 44
1.13.2 Deputy J.A. Hilton: 45

LUNCHEON ADJOURNMENT PROPOSED 45

LUNCHEON ADJOURNMENT 45
1.13.3 Connétable L. Norman of St. Clement: 45
1.13.4 The Connétable of St. Mary: 46
1.13.5 Senator A.J.H. Maclean: 46
1.13.6 Deputy A.D. Lewis of St. Helier: 47
1.13.7 The Connétable of St. Helier: 47

1.14 Draft Strategic Plan 2015 - 2018 (P.27/2015): seventh amendment
(P.27/2015 Amd.(7)) - paragraph (6)(c) 50

Senator I.J. Gorst: 50
1.14.1 The Connétable of St. Helier: 51
1.14.2 Connétable S.W. Pallett of St. Brelade: 52
1.14.3 Senator L.J. Farnham: 52
1.14.4 Deputy J.A. Martin: 52
1.14.5 Deputy D. Johnson of St. Mary: 52
1.14.6 The Connétable of St. Mary: 53
1.14.7 Deputy A.D. Lewis: 53
1.14.8 The Connétable of St. Helier: 53

1.15 Draft Strategic Plan 2015 - 2018 (P.27/2015): seventh amendment
(P.27/2015 Amd.(7)) - paragraph (7) 54

1.15.1 The Connétable of St. Helier: 54
1.15.2 The Connétable of St. Clement: 55
1.15.3 Deputy J.A. Martin: 55
1.15.4 Deputy S.Y. Mézec: 56
1.15.5 Senator P.F.C. Ozouf: 57
1.15.6 Deputy M.R. Higgins: 59
1.15.7 The Connétable of St. Brelade: 59
1.15.8 Deputy A.D. Lewis: 59
1.15.9 Deputy G.P. Southern: 60
1.15.10 Deputy P.D. McLinton: 61
1.15.11 Senator P.F. Routier: 61
1.15.12 The Connétable of St. Helier: 62

1.16 Draft Strategic Plan 2015 - 2018 (P.27/2015): amendment
(P.27/2015 Amd.) - as amended 63

1.16.1 Deputy S.Y. Mézec: 63
1.16.2 Senator P.M. Bailhache: 67
1.16.3 The Connétable of St. Helier: 67
1.16.4 Deputy J.A. Martin: 68
1.16.5 Senator P.F. Routier: 69
1.16.6 The Deputy of St. Mary: 70
1.16.7 Deputy S.M. Brée: 70
1.16.8 Deputy G.P. Southern : 71
1.16.9 The Connétable of St. Peter: 71
1.16.10 Deputy S.Y. Mézec: 72

1.17 Draft Strategic Plan 2015 - 2018 (P.27/2015): tenth amendment
(P.27/2105 Amd.(10)) - paragraphs (2) and (3) 74

1.17.1 Deputy R. Labey: 75
1.17.2 The Deputy of St. Martin: 81
1.17.3 Deputy M.R. Higgins: 82
1.17.4 Senator P.F. Routier: 82
1.17.5 Deputy E.J. Noel: 83
1.17.6 Deputy A.D. Lewis: 84
1.17.7 Deputy J.A. Martin: 85
1.17.8 Senator P.F.C. Ozouf: 86

ADJOURNMENT 89



[9:30]

The Roll was called and the Vice-Dean led the Assembly in Prayer.


PUBLIC BUSINESS - resumption

The Deputy Bailiff:

I should tell Members that whereas the microphones are working fine, the
electronic voting systems is at the moment not working, which means that in
the event that the appel is called for there will have to be the
traditional appel nominal, in other words Members names will have to be
read out in sequence and their vote taken and then added up by the Greffier
and announced. So there will be a delay when we come to voting under the
appel system. Hopefully that will be cured by this afternoon but I will
obviously keep Members informed as we go.




1. Draft Strategic Plan 2015 - 2018 (P.27/2015): seventh amendment
(P.27/2016 Amd.(7)) - paragraph (1) - resumption

The Deputy Bailiff:

[Aside] We now resume the debate on the Connétable of St. Helier's
amendment, amendment 7(1). When we adjourned I had noted 3 Members still
wishing to speak on the amendment, on the assumption that they remain the
same I call firstly on Deputy Wickenden.


1.1 Deputy S.M. Wickenden of St. Helier:

So to follow on from yesterday when we were talking about the proposition,
unfortunately I cannot support my Constable in this. I agree with what
Deputy Tadier had to say yesterday that I feel that the 5-year rule is not
the right system and it is not doing the beneficial work that we want to
control immigration and support our economy. Maybe it is time to look at
maybe a points system model that will ... as long as it can fit within
protocol 3, that can help us really build our economy and help the
industries that support our Island. I also agree with Deputy Martin when
she said yesterday that it is crazy we have over 1,000 in unemployment and
still there are employers that are unable to fill their vacancies. I think
that really needs to be looked at. What is making people choose
unemployment as the better option? I know when I was younger I sometimes
did 2 jobs just to pay my rent and have a quality of life, and unemployment
was never an option. Is it a lack of skills and training that we ... or
have we made it too lucrative to be unemployed? [Interruption] [Laughter]


The Deputy Bailiff:

I think, Connétable, it is very kind of you to make such a substantial
donation in such a joyful manner.

Connétable J.M. Refault of St. Peter:

If I may say so, that is the tune to the pamphlets on everybody's desk.
[Laughter] It is a copy of the original programme for Liberation in 1946.
But I am sure they are pleased to hear the new tune anyway and I shall make
a donation.

The Deputy Bailiff:

Thank you very much.

Deputy S.M. Wickenden:

I did ask for the music at the beginning of my speech but mayb